Curse

hollabackgirl · Jun 25, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

how about we all just accept that the fact the XTH will be down for maintenance, hope for our reward for May, as well as stop sucking up to Anet for doing their job?

Its down. Deal with it, there's no need to suck RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO over it either.

Lycan Nibbler · Jun 25, 2009, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Oh well.. at least I wont have to rage early on Saturday morning after finding it impossible to log on and make my predictions!

Yes, I'll miss my keys but Im not hurting for cash and theres nothing really that I need to buy.. There are plenty of other ways to earn keys anyway.

To the person who has a friedn v card earlier in the thread - newegg have a 10% off sale using code VGASALE with some reasonable cards capable of running GW for $30.

Black Metal · Jun 25, 2009, 04:50 AM // 04:50

I've been checking newegg (and all other major retailers) for an EOTN sale for the last few months. Right now on newegg it's $12.99 which is pretty good in mid-year. Got one for my secondary (which right now isn't really worth what it should considering this topic)

Gun Pierson · Jun 25, 2009, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

How pathetic it is that a player have to do something like this?. Sugarcoated his/her words to please a game company in hope that they will be more likely to....what? Give you more freebies?

Oh, GW community.

No lets all flame them and see what the result will be. Ignored and deleted posts and no progression at all. Give me more freebies? lol wut?

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

It's kinda sad to see some people trying to change the "customer-service provider" relationship to "slavery-master" or some kind of monarchy. It's just... pathetic.

Come back when you convinced the suits at NCSoft to put more recources into GW1. Until then, you're just in the same position like the rest of us. You might have a bigger mouth, but that's all.

EDIT: remember Avarre's open letter? Anet responded with one post which came down to: We're sorry you feel that way, but that's how things are.

Cacheelma · Jun 25, 2009, 05:30 AM // 05:30

No I don't, Pierson. In case you didn't notice this forum isn't run by Anet. There's no rules indicating that we have to worship them or that we can't speak our mind about how bad Anet is in our opinion. Your choosing to do the former is your choice, not mandatory.

The fact that I find it pathetic that people do such thing is also my opinion. Deal with it.

If Anet need to be worshipped in order for them to make any kind of progress to their own game. I'd say they should grow up. But I highly doubt they need such thing. It's you who choose to do the worshipping in hope of....something. What you hope to get out of it is beyond me, really.

Gun Pierson · Jun 25, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

What I want to get out of it, is at least a dialogue between us and the CR team so they can advocate our points of view to the higer ups at Anet and NCSoft.

True about this forum, but that also means Anet doesn't have to post at all. I don't see many Anet posts in the most hot and heated debates. They rather stay out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I've expressed a lot of negative but constructive feedback on these boards and I will continue to do so. So yeah the situation with XTH sucks, but there's not really anything we can do about it than just wait.

Cacheelma · Jun 25, 2009, 06:09 AM // 06:09

And we NEED to see Anet's posts?

Sure, it's good to see a respond. But, when they do it, they do it out of their own benefit. Answering to the community is part of their job. Poor/no interaction with the community will reflect badly ON THEM, not us.

We, as customers, shouldn't be at their mercy AT ALL. If anything, it should be the other way around. I'm sure they know this, too.

Wrath of m0o · Jun 25, 2009, 06:24 AM // 06:24

I didnt get my points..
You wont get yours either..
Sounds fair to me..

If you want Z-keys play JQ Luxon side, there is no wait.

Gun Pierson · Jun 25, 2009, 06:26 AM // 06:26

Well, I prefer them to post here so I don't have to find info on one of those wiki talk pages, but that's my opinion ofcourse.

Oh but I agree, we shouldn't be at their mercy, but I think we are. That doesn't mean we have to like it ofcourse. But what is the alternative? They have a monopoly in that segment of the market.

EDIT: When I said: 'What else can we do than sugarcoat them?' It was actually an expression of 'despair' as in /sigh.

funway ftw · Jun 25, 2009, 06:55 AM // 06:55

anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs from ripping off noobs and selling high under the guise of power traders ? of course the XTH threatens theyre epeen because people now have the ability to get a lot of money legitimately without having ripped anyone off or duping to get it. bottom line is we all agree anet is making money from the extra accounts sold to use on the XTH and traveller ( and anyone who thinks for one second that wasnt there plan is naive or plain stupid) so it is understandable when people get annoyed when this in game income is removed after spending rl money to get it. It is a feature that is there and buying more accounts to use it is not an exploit. its no different to new people getting the game and using it themselves. But anet has realised they are not getting new customers anymore so they fleece the existing ones. cause you can have a new hairdo at a cost these days its all about the money dont forget that. I dont mind the idea behind it its when you cant use it thats annoying. lets say you pay out 10 bucks of your hard earned for a new hairdo and a glitch stopped you from being able to use it and anet tried for a couple of months to fix it and then realised that they cant and need to recode it so they "remove it" from the game to fix it and you can have your new pixels (that you have already paid for) when they decide to reintroduce it but they wont say when! there is really no difference people are annoyed they all "hope" anet will do the right thing but they are unsure of how and when due to limited feedback and again they get more annoyed. so all you dupers and power traders pull your heads in we dont care if your epeen is at risk you didnt pay for it with your rl hard earned (or did you?

) people just want what they had coming free or not and are complaining that they dont have it yet and dont need others saying remove it cause my epeen isnt lookin so good anymore (we could care less!!!!)

pumpkin pie · Jun 25, 2009, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

I think Pumpkin Pie needs to put back his/her dog butt face.

lol, this avatar is temporary, i still like the butt face better

but I want to watch this movie.

on topic, I think it is reasonable to ask for 5 XTH points for everyone since we are unable to vote during June, and 5 is the minimum points right.

what say you Ms Regina B?

Martin Alvito · Jun 25, 2009, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

You're right in your thinking, but what a lot of the QQers don't understand is this is a basic tenet of economics, called "Opportunity Cost".

This has nothing to do with the opportunity cost. It's about needlessly unstable expectations. The basic process looks like this:

1) Person compares purchase with opportunity cost and decides to make purchase.
2) Game developer changes game.
3) Given change, the conclusion of the calculation in step 1 would have been different.
4) Player is mad, because player cannot undo transaction. Player feels like the developer has stolen from player by altering the deal.

Sure, you can argue that the risk of #2 goes into that calculation in #1, but it is CLEARLY Pareto-improving for the developer to reduce that risk to zero. All players are happier and the developer sells more games by doing so. (Very easy proof, let me know if you need me to set up the model.)

As a result, the player should logically infer that the risk of the change is zero, and should be upset when the developer irrationally makes a change that impedes selling games.

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely anti-XTH for a whole host of reasons. I think the whole situation is a shortsighted Faustian bargain for the developer. That said, once the developer creates an XTH-style system, there is no choice but to perpetuate it.

EDIT: 1337, the irony is that he doesn't realize that the power traders are the big winners. XTH and SF-driven inflation is fantastic if you already own the fixed-supply items people want to buy.

1337 H4X · Jun 25, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by funway ftw

anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs from ripping off noobs and selling high under the guise of power traders ? of course the XTH threatens theyre epeen because people now have the ability to get a lot of money legitimately without having ripped anyone off or duping to get it. bottom line is we all agree anet is making money from the extra accounts sold to use on the XTH and traveller ( and anyone who thinks for one second that wasnt there plan is naive or plain stupid) so it is understandable when people get annoyed when this in game income is removed after spending rl money to get it. It is a feature that is there and buying more accounts to use it is not an exploit. its no different to new people getting the game and using it themselves. But anet has realised they are not getting new customers anymore so they fleece the existing ones. cause you can have a new hairdo at a cost these days its all about the money dont forget that. I dont mind the idea behind it its when you cant use it thats annoying. lets say you pay out 10 bucks of your hard earned for a new hairdo and a glitch stopped you from being able to use it and anet tried for a couple of months to fix it and then realised that they cant and need to recode it so they "remove it" from the game to fix it and you can have your new pixels (that you have already paid for) when they decide to reintroduce it but they wont say when! there is really no difference people are annoyed they all "hope" anet will do the right thing but they are unsure of how and when due to limited feedback and again they get more annoyed. so all you dupers and power traders pull your heads in we dont care if your epeen is at risk you didnt pay for it with your rl hard earned (or did you?

) people just want what they had coming free or not and are complaining that they dont have it yet and dont need others saying remove it cause my epeen isnt lookin so good anymore (we could care less!!!!)

So now anyone with money is a cheater/manipulative person.
I'm sorry you fail

upier · Jun 25, 2009, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

They do?..........................They have access to skins sure but they are putting in way more amounts of effort/time to get RP's to get the skins. Thing is PvE'ers are getting PvP rewards for logging on a website and nothing more. The average GW player can obtain more RPs from the XTH than from the average GvG guild doing ATs to obtain 20 QP then placing 17th-32 spot.

That's why I bolded a part in the post I was replying to.
To quote it again and bold it again:

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Originally Posted by oscarmac

The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.

You are paying for the luxury of not having to do PvE to obtain PvE rewards.
So if we apply the rule which prohibits PvE players obtaining PvP rewards without doing PvE, then it only makes sense to apply the same rule to PvP.
If you choose to not do PvE - you should not have access to PvE rewards.
Luckily we moved past that. And there is absolutely no reason, outside of hurt egos, to not do the same thing in PvP.

Regarding the rewards - a player who takes part in the mATs AND bets in the XTH will gain more rewards as a player that only bets. Unless of course one of them has a better knowledge of who has a better chance at winning. And in this case - the player should be rewarded for this knowledge.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 25, 2009, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by funway ftw

anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs...

I stopped reading there for 3 reasons.

1. You have no idea how "wealthy" anyone here is in-game.

2. Because the majority of the people who are QQing are those who are mad because they lost a source of in-game income. (Nothing wrong with being upset about the problem, but there are better ways of expressing one's displeasure than "RED ENGINE, A-net! Give me my stuff! Epic fail! Waaaahhh)

3. Reading walls of text just isn't my thing, especially when they start out with such an unfounded assumption.

funway ftw · Jun 25, 2009, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

I stopped reading there for 3 reasons.

1. You have no idea how "wealthy" anyone here is in-game.

2. Because the majority of the people who are QQing are those who are mad because they lost a source of in-game income. (Nothing wrong with being upset about the problem, but there are better ways of expressing one's displeasure than "RED ENGINE, A-net! Give me my stuff! Epic fail! Waaaahhh)

3. Reading walls of text just isn't my thing, especially when they start out with such an unfounded assumption.

had you actually bothered to read past the first line which in itself you read poorly it states the people saying "stop" qqing are wealthy people who dont want theyre epeen destroyed because others with the rl money to purchase additional accounts can generate passive incomes and thus grow theyre own epeen demeenin all the so called hard work these people put into getting rich. as for unfounded assumptions take a look at the names of the people saying "take the xth out alltogether" then mosey on over to the high end thread where you will find most of them flogging there prize posessions for exorbitant prices. no assumtion required!!

wall of text> 10 yr old trawler with no knowledge

esthetic · Jun 25, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

What I don't get is how wait 7 days then wait one day, then wait a few days, to now... We don't know when.. maybe weeks maybe months...

It makes me think they don't have a clue. I mean really ANet's people stated that they were narrowing in on the problem a week ago and now what?

Although they have stated they will put back up the XTH, they have said things which turn out to be false. Well if they are going to perma take down XTH or down for more than a couple of months, I demand my money back for the accounts I purchased for XTH. I only purchased them for XTH. No gambling or risk taken on my part.. they said they would have this feature I bought it. It was like advertised buy more accounts you can get more keys. At Amazon.com you could buy up to three copies at 4.99 a piece. Now if they take out the XTH predictions, my extra accounts are useless.

I can understand the argument that its all part of the game and that game features can change and blah blah blah, IF it was one account and I have the rest of the game and its only one feature they take out, but I already had a couple of accounts from the very beginning the extra account adds no value to me without XTH reward pts.

To the people who didn't buy the extra accounts or don't like the fact that others have bought the accounts for extra Xkeys.. QQ at ANet not me. I, we did not design the game features. You gonna have people self motivated to bash the XTH cause they only have one account and hate the fact that someone else may have 5 and get 5 times as much every month, that is understandable but why hate the player? do you blame them for buying a copy for 4.99 at amazon.com? Blame ANet for inviting it to happen so they can sell more copies. And by the way... who do you think is paying ANet employees for making other updates and generally keeping ANet employees paid? People who bought extra accounts, name changes, makeovers ect ect.

jray14 · Jun 25, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by esthetic

It makes me think they don't have a clue.

I think the fact that Regina announced the new Testing Krewe means they have a clue now. That's been the problem all along, the lack of a testing environment that resembles the live server and its players.

Karate Jesus · Jun 25, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

You know.....with the lack of an actual fix-date on this issue, I have some weird feeling that XTH may not be coming back.

It seems like Regina has suggested that this could last longer than 1 month.....

Lol, if they lie to us that way, I'm going to both a) die laughing, & b) be absolutely pissed off. Tbh, this would be the smartest way to get rid of the XTH (and they have to be tired of fixing it). All they'd have to do is claim to be fixing it for a few months and then just not bring it back (with the GW2 excuse, understaffed excuse, or something else).

Conspiracy theories, start your engines!

savage vapor 33 · Jun 25, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

You know.....with the lack of an actual fix-date on this issue, I have some weird feeling that XTH may not be coming back.

It seems like Regina has suggested that this could last longer than 1 month.....

Lol, if they lie to us that way, I'm going to both a) die laughing, & b) be absolutely pissed off. Tbh, this would be the smartest way to get rid of the XTH (and they have to be tired of fixing it). All they'd have to do is claim to be fixing it for a few months and then just not bring it back (with the GW2 excuse, understaffed excuse, or something else).

Conspiracy theories, start your engines!

Or they are fixing it.